The Last Word with Lawrence O’Donnell, Transcript 03/25/15 - wall lavatory

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Rachel maddow, MSNBC: We now have more information about the story, live the last sentence with Lawrence O'Donnell, good evening, Lawrence.
Host Lawrence O'Donnell's last sentence: Good evening, Rachel, thank you.
We will collect all these breaking news stories and more here.
Okay, thank you. -O'Donnell: Thank you, Rachel.
As Rachel said, we do have two major breaking news tonight.
According to the New York Times, the Recorder of the German passenger plane that crashed in the French Alps has had a shocking new development.
Tonight, as Saudi Arabia launched a military attack on Yemeni rebels, the war spread in the Middle East. (
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Crash of German wing 9525
Unidentified male: analyzed the sound recorded on the damaged black box in the cockpit.
Unidentified male: during the plane crash
A minute later, a pilot was locked out of the cockpit.
You can hear him trying to knock the door down.
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Army sergeant was rescued in an exchange of unexpected prisoners with the Taliban, accused tonight of defecting by the United StatesS. Military.
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O'Donnell: Tonight, The New York Times reported that a pilot of the German wing 9525 left the cockpit before the plane landed and could not return.
The Times quoted a senior military official as saying that the aircraft's tape recorder showed that during the early days of the flight from Barcelona to duseldorf, the conversation between the pilots was very smooth and very cool.
Then the audio showed that one of the pilots left the cockpit and could no longerenter.
Investigators said the man outside was knocking at the door gently and there was no answer.
Then he knocked on the door stronger and did not answer.
There was never an answer.
You can hear him trying to knock the door down, he said.
'We don't know the reason why one of them went out yet, 'the official said, asking for anonymity as the investigation continues.
But to be sure, at the end of the flight, the other pilot was alone and did not open the door.
Now with me near the crash site in France is "Nbc" Claudio Lavanga.
Claudio, do you think the New York Times report tonight will put pressure on the French authorities tomorrow to give them more information about the tape recorder?
Claudio Lavanga, nbc news: Well, Lawrence, especially after today's air service press conference, it certainly will.
They said they did not extract the audio files from the black box, but they only said that they could hear the sound in the cockpit and they could hear it, but they had to explain them.
So it will take days and weeks.
Now, that sounds a bit strange at the time, but now that the New York Times has revealed the scene, of course, it hasn't been confirmed yet, let me highlight, everything became clearer.
Because it is clear that this situation creates more problems if this is true, why would a second pilot lock himself in or even if the door is really automatically closed.
Why wouldn't he respond?
Why wouldn't he open it?
Is he in a coma?
Is he conscious?
Did he mean it?
If this report is confirmed tomorrow morning, the aviation authorities here will have to answer a bunch of questions.
O'Donnell: Claudio, do you know what would prevent the authorities from revealing their knowledge of the pilot's medical history? If any of them may have any relevant medical conditions?
Lavanga: they didn't even disclose the name of the pilot, so of course they didn't disclose their medical history.
The reason they don't do this is, obviously, if they really believe that there is some sort of criminal investigation going on, they have to dig into the story before they reveal any details.
Now, these sources of intelligence, or some sort of military source-are in some way related to the investigation they revealed and have leaked that information to the New York Times, this means that people within the board of inquiry believe that this information needs to come out.
Well, obviously we have to wait until tomorrow and we have to wait until what the aviation authorities say about this report.
Hopefully by then, they will give more information about what really happened in that flight, what really happened in the cockpit.
O'Donnell: Claudio, what about the flight data recorder now that we know they 've got the obvious information from the recorder?
What are the latest search results?
Lavanga: I haven't found it yet.
This is the second black box, the flight data recorder, which contains all the technical statistics about the flight and all the statistics about the height and speed.
Not found today from takeoff to crash, Francois Hollande;
The French president said they found the frame but did not find the black box.
So hopefully this will be discovered soon.
O'Donnell: Claudio, thank you for working overtime again in France tonight, thank you very much, thank you for joining us.
Former "Nbc News" air reporter Robert Hager and former National Transportation and Security Council member Katie Higgins joined us.
"Nbc News" aviation analyst Greg faith, a former NTSB investigator, joined us over the phone.
Robert Hager, how did you react to the situation tonight?
Robert hager, a former NBC journalist: Well, I'm telling you, Lawrence, I just thought it was a major development.
With the warning Claudio mentioned in it, so far this is a New York Times report.
It sounds like a single source, so you have to be very careful.
But at the same time, it starts to be the first thing that makes sense in the whole accident-the whole accident.
It's a spade.
The meaning here is that if a pilot leaves the cockpit for any reason and the other pilot locks him outside and doesn't get him back, it means-the scene is, the pilot who is now flying the plane alone deliberately drives the plane.
I would like to know why the authorities have ruled out the possibility of a foul so early as this seems to be one thing to consider.
Well, as I said, this is-this is a single source so far, and you have to be very careful about the way information is handled.
But that's what we see in this report.
O'Donnell: and Kitty Higgins, another explanation is that the pilot who stayed in the cockpit was physically disabled and could not open that door.
What is possible to create such a scene?
Kitty Higgins, a former member of the National Committee on Transport and Safety: Well, some kind of medical condition, a medical emergency.
But I think one of the issues we need to focus on is that the plane is down.
Or he's flying on the plane and on the stairs.
Put it down at 4,000 feet per minute, or he set up an autopilot for this.
We don't know.
What we are now more important than ever is getting the flight data recorder as this will show us or tell us when and where the autopilot was set up?
Whether set from the side of the pilot's plane or from the co-pilot
The pilot side of the plane.
O'Donnell: Greg faith, what is the probability of an unexpected drop in this plane?
What kind of scenario would give us such an unexpected drop?
Greg faith, nbc news aviation analyst and former senior aviation safety investigator: there is no real scenario, and this is a very prescribed rate of decline;
The speed of 3,500 to 4,000 feet per minute looks the same on the ground.
This is a very consistent descent track.
The fact that this plane has no stairs
It is programmed into the flight management system on a continuous descent path.
If the pilot loses the ability to stay in the cockpit, then the pilot outside should be able to enter the door.
There is an agreement to enter and enter through the cockpit door.
While pilots in the cockpit can be controlled at different levels, under normal circumstances, there is another alternative to the safety of that door.
Therefore, implementing this additional level of security to prevent anyone from entering the cockpit requires thoughtful action.
O'Donnell: in the United States, Robert Hagel's agreement is that in this case, you will never leave the pilot alone in the cockpit.
Is this not an agreement?
What do I tell you?
I'm not sure. I don't know. tell you the truth.
O'Donnell: Kitty Higgins, that's what we heard tonight-Higgins: Lawrence, I actually-O'Donnell: Go ahead-Higgins: I have the same problem because
I checked with an American colleague. S.
He said post 9/11, in fact, in the United StatesS.
As he said, the flight attendants of the airline will enter the cockpit instead of looking after another pilot.
But when the door is closed, the rest of the pilots want to re-
Input, it should be an extra level of security in order to be able to view the security peeps holes and make sure it's actually the pilot who left and he wants to re-
Enter the cockpit.
In fact, this is the procedure here, obviously not necessarily the procedure in Europe.
O'Donnell: Yes, Greg faith, the question that's going to be raised tonight is, let's say there's no intentional behavior here, but there's actually some kind of medical capacity loss.
People are asking how-What precautions can be taken to make this all impossible?
One of them will be what Kitty said just now, that is, there will be others in the cockpit at any time.
Faith: Normally, I mean, that's what we do in America.
The rest of the world will not necessarily follow us.
Because there are many airlines that don't have a fortified door, it doesn't matter if it has a fortified door.
Cameras can be installed at the cockpit entrance, an option on many aircraft, which many airlines do not use.
Therefore, many protocols and security protocols can be implemented.
This particular event may speed up, as we did at MH-
The number of global tracking aircraft reached 370.
Unfortunately, to make people aware of this, to raise their awareness, and to get regulators out of this center when trying to implement universal regulation, such activities are needed.
O'Donnell: Robert Hagel, talking about the dynamics between journalists reporting stories of this kind and the investigative officers, especially in the circumstances like this tonight, as you said, the New York Times has a single source that contains some very powerful information about what's on the flight recorder.
In the next 24 hours, what do you expect about the dynamics between the media and French officials-and then what are the officials willing to release?
Does this put pressure on them to post more information about what they know on the recorder?
Hagel: Well, the reporter, this is now available. for the reporter, this is red meat.
They will definitely ask for more information.
But whether this will have an impact on investigators is another question.
This is Europe, very bureaucratic, and it may make them more careful about everything they say.
All this information, I think, comes from the first part of the cockpit recorder that they have heard so far.
They may say that they want to study it more carefully before giving us some details.
Although some of them seem to have leaked out.
O'Donnell: Kitty Higgins and Greg faith, we're going to have a break there, thank you for being with me tonight and we'll have more information about the plane crash.
Next, the pilots will join us to learn about their reaction to the breaking news tonight.
Just a few hours ago, Saudi Arabia launched air strikes in neighboring Yemen, driving the rebels back from the capital.
A few weeks ago, a member of the Brotherhood sang a racist song in the video, held a press conference today and apologized. (
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Man: But Hey Mike, I think-Mike, I'm going to tell you that there is a continuous strike there, actually a little south, and it's probably on the street right now. (END VIDEO CLIP)
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You might remember Moore being EF.
The tornado was the largest in 2013, killing 24 people.
Officials say multiple tornadoes have hit homer and Arkansas tonight.
The National Weather Service also reported golf size-Golf-
Hail and strong winds over 70 miles an hour in southern Tulsa, Russia.
According to police, at least one person died in a mobile House in Tulsa.
We will be back soon. (
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O'Donnell: we have more news tonight about the crash of the German airliner.
The New York Times reported that a pilot left the cockpit and was unable to return to the cockpit when the plane began to descend.
According to an investigator, according to The Times, the plane's tape recorder revealed that "the man outside is knocking gently at the door and there is no answer ".
Then the investigators said, "he knocked at the door more vigorously, there was no answer, there was never an answer.
You can hear him trying to knock the door down.
"Join me now, Michael Kay, a pilot, a former senior British officer and military strategist, and former commercial pilot Anthony Roman.
Michael, how do you react to developments tonight?
Pilot Michael Kay: Lawrence, go back to the question about leaving the cockpit agreement.
The answer is that there are two situations where the door should be opened.
The first is when the pilot needs to go to the bathroom.
The second is when the cabin staff actually need to deliver the meal.
They are the only two times they should open the door.
Interestingly, after 9/11, Airbus issued a press release saying it had addressed the security of the door.
What it does is that it develops a capability that develops a door with a reinforced hinge and has a code to go in with a bullet plate on it.
They also gave the possibility of having a camera outside the door so the pilot could see who was knocking at the door.
Then there is a master switch inside the cockpit that allows the pilot to actually lock the door from the inside, so the outside uses-O'Donnell: And-KAY's people: the code is not able to get into O'Donnell: this is a global transformation, or just on an American plane?
Or-Kay: Yes-that's an option.
A Airbus came out of there and said you could choose to operate now --
Suitable for this function, for a wide-body jet 25,000, the single jet will cost about $78330 and about $30,000.
There is no mandatory requirement for the FAA or CAA to include this in all costs for all carriers.
So, this is the first aspect.
Second, Lawrence, I feel a little disturbing.
There are two reasons why the whole investigation has not been resolved.
The first is that there is no radio transmission.
The second problem is that it did not leave the original path when the plane began to descend to Marseille or nice.
If you go backwards, Air France 447, the Atlantic Ocean from Brazil to France crashed without a radio call.
MH370, no radio calls, AirAsia's flight that crashed in the Java Sea, no radio calls, no German Wings, no radio calls.
For some reason the last highlighted four crashed and there was no radio call.
When I fly alone, I have to personally send a distress signal in case of emergency
I operate the plane with the seat driver, I fly the plane and I have to call in the first ten seconds.
There are some things that are not suitable here.
O'Donnell: Anthony Roman, both cases were left by the pilot on purpose-pilot Anthony Roman: right O'Donnell: or the pilot's physical incapacity in the cockpit.
What is every evidence?
Pilot Anthony Roman: these are two possible scenarios, but neither should be a factor.
They violated the rules of the international aviation organization and should not have only pilots in the cockpit.
There should be a flight attendant O'Donnell: So it's not just an American flight attendant. S.
This is a world-wide Roman rule: it is a world-wide rule.
When a pilot is out of the cockpit, a flight attendant or other crew member must be in the cockpit.
We don't know what's going on here.
This is a plane by plane.
For example, it is controlled like a control stick, a giant joystick.
For example, if it moves 10 degrees forward, it drops the nose of the aircraft, and then the joystick drops automatically
Center, the plane will continue on its nose-down descent.
So if this pilot loses his ability, loses his consciousness, hits the autopilot, and hits the flight control stick, it may or may be something evil that will stabilize it.
However, the siege is not the only way to break into the cockpit.
I spoke to several major airline mechanics who explained to me that the entire partition leading to the cockpit would include the front toilet wall common to the toilet and cockpit, where there was no armor.
This is a security risk. But the co-
It would be better for the pilot or any of the pilots to try to smash the bullet-proof door outside and try to get through the partition.
This is possible.
O'Donnell: OK, we have to break it there right now, Anthony Roman, we're coming back with more, thank you for joining us.
Next, the Royal Saudi Air Force launched an air strike in Yemen tonight to try to protect the Yemeni president from rebel takeover. (
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Saudi ambassador to the United States JUBEIR: Saudi Arabia launched a military operation in Yemen.
The aim is to protect President Hadi's legitimate government from attempts by the Houthi militia in Yemen.
The operation began at around 7: 00 Washington time East Coast time.
Female: P. m. ? AL-JUBEIR: P. m. , yes. And the U. S.
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O'Donnell: half an hour ago, the National Security Council issued the statement, "President Obama authorized logistical and intelligence support to the Gulf Cooperation Council --
Leading military operationsWhile U. S.
The Yemeni army has not taken direct military action to support this effort and we are building a joint force
Plan to cooperate with Saudi Arabia to coordinate the United StatesS.
Military and intelligence support.
Tonight, "Reuters" quoted senior leaders of Houthi rebels as saying, "there is aggression in Yemen and we will fight violently.
The military operation will plunge the region into a broad war.
Foreign correspondent Eiman mocherdin of Nbc News and Washington editor Steve Clemons are joining me nowat-
A large contributor to Atlantic magazine and Msnbc.
Steve Clements, does that mean a broader war?
Editor Steve ClemonsAT-
The Atlantic Ocean is big, yes.
This means that a Middle East, which is already chaotic and tense, is going up several levels.
We saw the disintegration of Yemen and Iran.
The backed Shiite Houthi rebels overthrew the regime within Saudi Arabia's reach.
This is a gradual nightmare, but it will definitely make the whole region worse.
O'Donnell: Ayman mohaerdin, we 've been watching the disintegration of Yemen for months, and it's really like it's on the edge.
Saudi Arabia has waited until now.
Is it too little, too late?
NBC's new foreign correspondent ayman mohyeldin: it will depend on how much military engagement they will try to impose on the situation in Yemen, and more importantly on what the Iranian government has done.
If the Saudi government takes this military action and is able to limit, contain or even push the Houthi rebels and have the government bring Hadi back to defend itself, it may be short-lived.
All indications are that the Houthi rebels will fight and they will certainly not be easily repelled.
What's more, if they really start to lose their serious position, then the question becomes, what will Iran do?
Can they make the same argument that they are involved in protecting the Shiite minority in Yemen and protecting the rebels, with their own support-these fighters.
O'Donnell: Michael Kay, can you imagine Iran trying to influence the results of Yemen by crossing Saudi Arabia like this on a map?
Kay: Well, I think like most of the situation in the Middle East at the moment, Lawrence, Yemen has a very complicated story that actually goes back years, not months.
It dates back to the Arab Spring of Tunisia.
This can be traced back to the overthrow or the desire to overthrow the original President Saleh.
This led to the national dialogue conference.
This is supported by the United States. N.
A resolution.
It is supported by the United States. S.
It is supported by GCC.
Basically, from May 2013 to January 2014, all competing groups in Yemen had the opportunity to sit around a table and try to develop a governance roadmap.
This includes Houthi, the Salafist in the south, then the east, and then the current government.
The result was shot into pieces.
One reason is that some Houthi leaders have been assassinated by coalition forces.
What happened was that the only result was that Vice President Hadi, who replaced Saleh, would remain in power for a year.
The ousted original president Saleh received an exemption as part of the national dialogue conference.
So that's why we are now in a position where the Houthi people believe that the Saudis support the sarafist and al-Qaida in Yemen who are not happy with the Sunni influence, not only in Yemen, and is actually spreading outside Syria.
That's why Houthi is worried about this.
That's why Iranians are worried about the spread of salafei.
Let us not forget that Saudi Arabia has been supporting Wahabism for decades, an export Wahabism and an extreme creed of Sunni Islam.
We should not forget Saudi Arabia's connection with al-Qaida.
Al-Qaida bombed the hospital at the end of 2013, killing 56 people.
In any case, I don't support Houthi, but when we talk about what Houthi is doing and why they are doing it, we have to look at both sides of the debate.
Steve Clements, go ahead.
Steve Clemons, Atlantic: Michael has just laid out one thing very well, that is, in this conflict that has pushed Yemen to the brink, al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula, A little backsliding over the past year, can regain a lot of foundation and motivation in chaos and tension, and then come back.
Whether they are supported by the Saudis or not, this is a controversial story in itself.
AQAP can be the real winner in this mess.
This is something that many people in Washington are very concerned about.
O'Donnell: Ayman, John Kerry made a statement tonight, saying, "we will deliver the country safely.
"Should the United States send this country to a safe place without direct participation?
Ayman mohyeldin, foreign correspondent for MSNBC news: I think this is a very, very high order.
I'm not sure only America can do that.
I'm not sure this can be done with military operations alone.
You raised a very good question, will Iran support Houthi?
The problem is not whether they send weapons or their own troops.
The question is, can they keep this low-intensity conflict and make it worse in years, months?
That's what the Iranians do in Iraq. they are very good at it.
This is what they have been doing at a very low level in support of the Syrian regime.
They may not, they may wait.
They may not be directly involved in activities against the Saudis in the next week or two, but in the long run, any government in Houthi, any process that appears, if the Iranians choose to destroy it, so choose to support Houthi in any way, and of course they can.
They have direct or indirect influence and resources to achieve this.
I think it's a long process.
For any country that will be involved, the terminology challenge.
I mean, Lawrence, one of the irony of all this is that the United States launched an air strike in Tikrit to provide cover, air cover for Iran-backed ground forces, help the Shiite militia to help the Iraqi army.
And in Yemen, the United StatesS.
Saudi Arabia now supports fighting against Iranian-backed rebels.
I mean, you want to talk about the big picture of the United States in the region. S.
Is helping the Iranians in Iraq, but is helping the Saudis to fight the Iranian-backed rebels in Yemen, I mean, I just-this is a very confusing situation.
I don't think anyone will see the day soon.
O'Donnell: The Obama administration's statement tonight is a fact among the Obama administration, and that is the simple saying, "the United States has been in close contact with President Hardy and our regional partners.
"Now, until the White House makes this statement tonight, it is not clear whether President Hardy is still alive or if anyone knows where he is actually.
He ran over there.
Kay: it is reported that he fled the capital Sanaa in January, and recently it is reported that he is in Aden and he wants to withdraw from the country, which is a wise report.
MOHYELDIN: Yes, today, the State Department did say that they had contacted him earlier today, but he was no longer in Aden's residence.
So by this afternoon, it is certain that they do not know where he is in Aden.
O'Donnell: continue, Steve.
Clements: they are also doing their best to say that he did not run away in order to give legitimacy to those who took his place, and that he left his free will.
So there are a lot of optical games.
You know, John Kerry's commitment to this is on the verge of being irresponsible because, to some extent, the power-sharing discussion that Mike Kay just described around the round table process is something that the US helps brokers.
So, to some extent, what we are seeing is that, you know, those groups that have entered into power-sharing arrangements because of discontent or political immaturity are not able to work in a civil society structure, in this structure, the power between different groups is constantly weakening and flowing.
This will go back to the question, do you need strong men to control the whole show?
This is an indictment from the United States. S.
We see the imprint of democratic movement in some of these countries.
The Saudis have been highly critical of America's obsession with the matter.
I think it will put a lot of pressure between Saudi Arabia and the United States, although we support what is going on.
O'Donnell: I just saw the full John Kerry statement here that highlights your attention to the complexity of the relationship, Ayman.
Here, he is in the most important negotiations of his career with Iran on the future of nuclear weapons.
His complete statement is actually, "we will send the country to a safe place and raise the flag of Yemen on Mount Malan, not the flag of Iran.
This is a complete statement.
Kay: Can I add one more thing before we go? The U. S.
The need to include key points in the region's foreign policy, it needs to stop responding to the various explosive insurgency battles that are taking place in different countries in the region.
For me, this is the root cause of all the instability in Syria, and there needs to be a political roadmap for Assad, and someone needs to come up with it-as long as it is not afraid of the dangers, to solve the situation.
Because if you solve this problem, you solve ISIS.
ISIS is the source of instability here. The U. S.
It needs to set its priorities in foreign policy.
If I were a gambler, ISIS was the biggest threat to the United States. S. O`DONNELL: OK.
We must leave it there for the time being.
Steven Clermont, Iman mohydin, thank you for joining us tonight.
Next, a member of the University of Oklahoma Brotherhood who was found to sing racist slogans held an apology press conference today.
A well-choreographed press conference on apology. And U. S.
Army officials charged Sergeant Bowie Bergdahl with defections. (
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O'Donnell: I just want to quickly correct the record of some of the things we reported in the last paragraph.
So far, Secretary of State John Kerry has not made any statement about the situation in Yemen.
The statement we did read was actually a statement made earlier by President Hardy.
John Kerry made no statement-the secretary of state did not make any statement tonight about Saudi Arabia's intervention in Yemen with the support of the US military and intelligence services.
We will be back soon. (
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There will never be (
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You can hang them on the tree, but they will never sign with me. (END VIDEO CLIP)
O'Donnell: one of the Brotherhood members caught in the video that played hatred
The racist killing chant answered several questions today and declined to answer more important questions at a press conference arranged by his public relations representative.
The press conference was held in Homer. (
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Levi Petti, a former university student at orkama: First of all, let me say sorry, very sorry.
I am very sorry for all the pain I have caused, and I want you to know this directly from me.
Although I am not worth it, I would like to ask for your forgiveness.
What you and others have seen in the video is not the real me, nor is it the kind of person I have been trained to be.
Not who I think I am.
I see how my choices affect people who are influenced by my rash decisions. (END VIDEO CLIP)
O'Donnell: of course, he is not only involved in the chant, he is also one of the leaders of the chant.
Levi Pettit refused to answer the most important questions he was asked, including where did you learn the sacred songs?
When asked about the issue, he stuck to the talking points that his high-power, very expensive Texas public relations company apparently offered him and said he was just there to apologize. (
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PETITT: I'm not here today to talk about the chant I learned where or how I was taught, and I'm here to apologize for what I did. (END VIDEO CLIP)
O'Donnell: now with me is
Naome Kadira, director of the university group of orkama, OU is unheard.
There are also Trymaine Lee, national correspondent for MSNBC, and Mark Thompson, host of Sirius XM Radio.
Naomi, how do you react to today's press conference?
Naome kadira, your unheard of cooperation
Director: there is no doubt that we think apology is a good move and the issue has been recognized on a larger scale.
We absolutely hope that this opens a door-recognizing that this is bigger than the bus video, which is bigger than all the little details that people have been paying attention to, and the complaints we write in the letter are unheard, these seven grievances are part of a larger problem that needs to be acknowledged.
So I think it's really great to apologize.
O'Donnell: Terry man, what I see feels like an apology from a politician.
This is a very rich child from a very rich family in Texas.
They hired Bill Coretti, a very expensive public relations crisis management operator in Texas, and you wouldn't hire someone like that, and then, you know, write a statement yourself.
So it reads to me like one of them-you know, the team put it together, that's the point of your conversation, and the most important thing is what you can't say.
Don't give up anyone when they ask you where to learn the Holy song.
When you are asked what happened on the bus, your answer must be, well, I'm not here to talk about the bus, just to apologize.
Trymaine lee, national correspondent for MSNBC: choreography is really outstanding.
There are some very strange and strange things.
Most importantly, it seems to be an outdated model with any slight impact on Africans
American community, you go to black community, you go to black church.
You are surrounded by elders.
Once they were rubbing his shoulder, you know, kid, everything was going to be fine.
Talk to people, talk after that, and continue on Twitter, which is not enough for many people in this generation, this generation of Twitter, they are talking about the inner focus, white supremacy, and structural things.
But when you come-correct it, what else, what's next?
They said on social media that we do not accept your apology.
O`DONNELL: Yes.
Li: But the real change-what about some real change?
17 days, now that you have come to the moment of Jesus, do you realize that the world is bright for you?
O`DONNELL: Yes.
When you apologize at the press conference, when you do apologize, you will not refuse important questions or answer important questions.
Li: That's right.
O'Donnell: He said one thing in response to a question, and he said, I have seen these people and they have made me see things that I have not touched before this event.
He also said that when one of the reporters asked him, why didn't you understand that those words were dirty words in the song?
'I know they're wrong,' he said. 'But I never knew how they were wrong, why they were wrong.
So Mark Thompson, he has never seen a "12-year slave" or a "Selma ".
"I just wanted to make it easier for him.
He does not need to read a book.
Obviously, in his Texas education, he has never read the word "lynching" in any chapter in American history.
MARK Thompson, host of mark xm: Yes.
Well, that's-O'Donnell: he lives in a family like this. THOMPSON: Yes.
This is probably the case.
I think some people today mentioned at the press conference that a lot of young people are not educated, in fact they are wrong educated, and they are not exposed to these things.
One of those things-I agree with what you said.
However, there are a few things that can be saved, that is, the Black Caucus of the state legislature has an initiative to take advantage of this opportunity to try to get more African-Americans
American studies and Africa
In some of these courses, I think, American history goes from elementary school to back.
The level of middle and higher education.
I can also confirm that there was some tension within that meeting and they were brought up on the spot.
I can confirm that he and his family were asked to join the National Association for the advancement of people of color.
They said they were.
This has not happened yet.
Let's see what happens.
This proves his sincerity.
Finally, and finally, I would say, Lawrence, if he is sincere in what he says to himself, that he wants to fight for equality, or to make people more aware of racism, stay at the school, stay at the school in Homer, and go to HBCU.
Immerse yourself in learning and learn what our historical struggle is because he is so absent and so unaware.
O'Donnell: did the people at that meeting ask him where he learned the Holy song?
I did not ask this question.
I don't know if this happens-I don't know.
But I know he has a lot of history.
They're here to listen.
I mean, to be fair, it's one of the first things you do when we talk about reconciliation, diversity.
You try to learn something, but you have to go further.
Maybe he should take part in an-
Racist educators like Tim Wise
People like this
But these are the things he needs to do to prove that he is really making compensation for what he said. (CROSSTALK)
O'Donnell: let me go there.
Naome, he said he doesn't know why the word in that song is bad is it you?
I was not surprised.
Some people are just uneducated, just like some people are not from these backgrounds.
You have never been exposed to these things, which is important to the school system, and from an early age let people know why these things are the wrong culture and make these people culturally sensitive to such things.
That's a big part of why Unheard is Unheard of because we want to change the culture and education of the university and give people the chance to know that it's wrong and why it's wrong, and how it's wrong, and how to get around these conversations.
O'Donnell: So, Norm, does that mean that you're at the university in orklahe state with American high school graduates who don't know anything about lynching and don't understand that song is about lynching?
Cadila: Maybe they don't necessarily understand the songs of lynching, but they don't know the history behind lynching.
I'm not on the bus.
I don't know his motives.
I don't know what kind of background he grew up in.
But I know there are two different kinds of people in the world, two different kinds of people, one is people who don't know, the other is people who know, they do these things on purpose.
But I can't say what type of person he is and if he doesn't know then he doesn't.
But education is our job.
The work of the school system is education.
So instead of blaming people who are unheard of, we take the initiative to educate people, bring these problems, and put them on a platform to start such a conversation. O`DONNELL: OK.
We have to go.
I know Texas has strict control over their textbooks in all public schools, but Mark, is that conceivable? THOMPSON: Yes.
O'Donnell: can we buy a Texas high school history book and see if they leave the lynching?
THOMPSON: Lies.
There were a couple of white listeners calling me on the show tonight to admit that they had never touched these things themselves.
They are ashamed.
They called to apologize to me and said they just -(CROSSTALK)
They did not hang them on the tree.
We must bring it here.
Naome Kadira, thank you so much for joining us tonight.
Mark Thompson, thank you for joining us.
We will be back soon.
KADIRA: Thank you. (
Business break)O`DONNELL: U. S.
After leaving Afghanistan in 2009, Army Sergeant Bao Bergdahl, who has been held by the Taliban for five years, was accused of defecting and endangering fellow soldiers.
Military officials announced today.
If Bergdahl is convicted of harming his comrades in arms, he may be sentenced to life imprisonment.
Deserters can be sentenced to up to five years in prison.
On last May, the Obama administration released belidar through negotiations in exchange for five prisoners held in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
National security adviser Susan Rice told ABC News on her release, quoting Bergdahl, "serving the United States with honor and outstanding performance ".
She also admitted that officials did not know the story at the time.
On the day of Bergdahl's statement, President Obama issued a statement saying,
Bergdahl's recovery is a reminder of America's unwavering commitment to not leaving men or women in uniform on the battlefield.
"The latest news about the plane crash in France, we will be back soon. (
Business break)
O'Donnell: we are back about the crash of the German airliner.
The New York Times reported tonight that a pilot left the cockpit before the plane landed and could not return.
Bob Hagel, as we reported earlier, reported that another pilot was knocking at the door, shouting across the door, trying to get back to the cockpit, absolutely silent.
The pilot in the cockpit did not have any sound.
As far as our understanding of this is concerned, what do you hope will be the development at tomorrow's press conference?
Robert hager, MSNBC journalist: Well, I think this is very, very important information.
I hope they still use the cockpit recorder because I don't think they have the parts for the data logger yet.
Just hope they can provide more information about the cockpit recorder as reported so far.
But the New York Times just reported the news, so you have to be very careful.
But because this information is very sensitive, because it first raised the possibility of a foul in this regard, I think the investigators will be very close to the vest that holds this information.
So we hope to get some small explanations tomorrow.
O'Donnell: Michael Kay, one of the questions to be asked at tomorrow's press conference is, do you deny the New York Times report?
If they don't deny that, then it will obviously be established.
Kay: Well, it must have been unverified.
But this information can be shocking and I think it really deserves analysis.
What I can be sure of is that we're talking about incapability, and we're talking about the lack of response from pilots to what they're in, whether it's because it's a decompression scenario, or because, like Air France 447, someone got the instrument wrong with the wrong reading.
The bottom line is that if someone knocks on the door, it shows me that this is not a decompression environment.
This is the first.
The second question is, how do we know it's a pilot? CROSSTALK)
O'Donnell: not just the cockpit, the entire plane has to be decompressed?
Kay: Well, they have a door to protect the pilot a little.
O`DONNELL: Yes.
Kay: But the bottom line is-it's more likely to be in the cabin if it's decompressed.
So if someone is knocking on the door of the cabin, O'Donnell: Yes.
Kay: they are more susceptible to decompression.
If someone knocks on the door then for me it shows that there is no decompression for beginners.
But what's really interesting is that Lawrence, you get crew resources whenever you're in an emergency, which annoys me.
You will talk about the decline between the crew.
Therefore, CVR does not give us the expectation under normal circumstances.
O`DONNELL: Yes.
Michael Kay, Robert Hagel, thank you so much for joining us tonight.
Next is Chris Hayes. .
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